Consider the following:
There is a man in a mental hospital.
He is insane. (The context of insanity in this sense is mostly the same as criminal law. That is to say that this man being insane is that his thoughts, judgements, and reasoning deviate from others, and he can not differentiate between right/wrong, and normal/abnormal. Thus, he is insane.)
To become sane, this man must admit he is insane, right?
By admitting he is insane, he is acknowledging his differences and is assimilating normal schemas and perspectives into his own and is thus able to differentiate right/wrong, normal/abnormal.
If one is insane because they feel their thoughts to be right when they are not(in context to normal situations/people), then one would be sane when they think on the same level/way as most people do, or as the culture dictates.
Therefore, by admitting he is insane, he is now sane.
So, to become sane, this man must admit insanity.
To be sane, he must be insane.
I hope you all understand the implications of the above scenario. I love the inability of the english language to convey all thoughts and emotions. Thus is the origin of humor, the fixing or correcting of prior-held thoughts and perceptions with new, confronting situations.
You should all find this entry to be dangerously funny.
13 November 2005
02 November 2005
GOD
I had an epiphany today. I talked to Ishmal for a few hours about Christianity. It's come to my attention that I understand the Bible more than most Christians I know. When making arguments, I provide quotes from the Bible, and I provide logical reasoning. Most Christians do not. My epiphany was much more brilliant and elaborate when it came into my mind, but like all great things, it dissolved before I could put it into words. Like a great and powerful dream, it melted off my mind just as quickly as it formed. The remnants of the epiphany, what I could gather, are as follows:
....If our destiny is known, as it must be since God is all-knowing, then there is no action we can make to yield an alternate destiny. This is because actions that would yield a destiny unknown to God would mean that God is not omniscient, which is impossible.
It is a prerequisite that God is omniscient, so doing something or having a destiny that He would not know of is impossible. That means that the only possible actions we can make are actions that coincide with what will yield the destiny He knew we were going to have.
Our actions are predetermined, they follow a set path that God already knows about. We are unable to change our actions into anything unknown or against God. Therefore, we do NOT truly have free will in the sense that our Destiny is in our own hands. We follow a set path, the path God is said to have set for us. If all actions are done through, by, and for God, we have no means of changing our path to conflict with His will, and our acts and end is known, then there can be no such thing as free will in context to Christianity.
This proves that there is no such thing as free will. If there is no such thing as free will, that means all sin was forced to occur. This follows the Bible exactly:
"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. ~Jude 1:4"
"In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: ~Eph 1:11"
Another thing to consider:
If God willingly and purposefully creates human beings to go to Hell(as the Bible says people are made that will go to Hell, and God knows they will go to Hell, they had no free will- as I just proved) then that proves God is not all-loving. You cannot love a creature and then have its ultimate end be in Hell. You cannot love a creature when it's sole purpose is to suffer. So, upon analysis, God is not all-loving, but the Bible describes Him as being such. Therefore, the deduction is that this all-loving God described in the Bible does not do all-loving things, therefore He is either flawed(He is supposed to put forth a certain quality but does not), or He is flawfully described(which means the Bible, His Word-is wrong, which means He is flawed or that religion as a whole being based on the Bible is flawed). This disproves the Christian God's existence in context to the Bible.
And I'll go ahead and post a wonderful Bible quote that prove the common Christian ideas wrong. Most Christians say that all sins are equal, this is not true.
"Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee HATH THE GREATER SIN." John 19:11
I'm going to end this entry with a few questions.
1. What makes Christianity superior to any other religion? Why is it that religions such as Greek Mythology, Buddhism, Wiccanism, etc are all wrong, but the Bible is right? No religions have proof of existence or validation of any sort, so why do people choose to believe in Christianity over any other religion? If you choose to believe in Christianity, why don't you believe in Apollo? What makes your religion right over other religions?
2. How can people reconcile glaring overisghts in the Bible? How is God perfect if He says He makes mistakes?
“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth...And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them” (Genesis 6:5-7)
God is all-knowing, He knows what his works will do, so why would God repent for one of his own actions? Did he not know what would happen? To repent is to admit a mistake, how can God be perfect and make a mistake?
http://www.livejournal.com/users/swinger1988/2004/05/05/
The above link is to a prehistoric Swinger post about Bible contradictions. Another interesting contradiction is this:
"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." (John 8:7)
--"CRY aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins." (Isaiah 58:1)
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine." (2 Timothy 4:2)
3. Why did Adam receive punishment for eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? Without the knowledge to discern good from evil, how can one be held responsible for actions that are evil? To receive a punishment, one is to have known that an action was wrong before hand. Adam did not know his actions were wrong, because he did not understand right from wrong, he had not been given that knowledge, but he was held accountable for failing a test on knowledge and information he was never given. You might say that God told Adam not to eat from the tree, but without knowing right from wrong, eating from the tree was just as right or wrong as listening to God's word. If Adam had no knowledge of good from evil, could not discern the two, how is he to be held responsible for commiting evil? Adam coudn't have known it was evil without the knowledge of good and evil.
All that aside, if he DID know it was evil, somehow, why did God seem to entrap Adam? Why create Eve to lure Adam? Why put the tree there in the first place? If it is to provide a test, why test at all? God knows the actions that are going to take place, so why choose to punish Adam when he knows he was going to do wrong? What does that prove?
4. Why are people created to suffer? Why are people created to go to Hell? God knows the destiny of all, why does he set into motion the creation of beings when he knows they will suffer, or knows they will end up in Hell? What purpose is shown, other than that God is not all-loving.
5. Why am I to believe in religion, or anything at all? The only thing I can prove is my own existence, whatever existence that is. The next best thing I have is science and mathematics, which thus far have been shown to be true through obserations which may or may not be true. Science and mathematics, then, are as true as anything can be. I can use science and math, I can see the existence in front of me, I can manipulate it, test it, see it. Religion, on the other hand, is not nearly as tangible. Religion, to me, seems as true or as tangible as a children's story. I see and read some absurd tale that goes against testable and observable truths, just like in fairy tales, where frogs turn into princes, witches cast spells, etc. Jesus walks on water, fish and bread multiply, and water turns to wine. Sounds like a fairy tale if I ever read one.
Believing in the Bible is the equivalent to believing in something that goes against everything you see and observe, the very laws of nature that govern the surroundings. If I told you that the sky was purple, why would you not believe it? It seems more credible than a book written thousands of years ago by people you've never met, and in languages now dead, re-written over and over by fallible hands and bent to support leaders at the time. My word seems more plausible and possible than the Bible. What prevents you from believing fairy tales, believing that the sky is not purple-while believing the Bible is true?
I would like for someone to explain to me how they believe something written by flawed humans thousands of years ago, written to reflect the old society and laws which are now outdated, over any other absurd story, and even over science and mathematics? It doesn't seem logical.
And remember, kids, if God gave us the wisdom and ability to question, think, and reason, why would He not want us to use it? If I am too inquisitive, too harsh, too brutal, too logical, it is because God created me in His image, for His purpose. I'm merely doing what He wanted me to do.
~the manic expressive
~Ryan Vergel
....If our destiny is known, as it must be since God is all-knowing, then there is no action we can make to yield an alternate destiny. This is because actions that would yield a destiny unknown to God would mean that God is not omniscient, which is impossible.
It is a prerequisite that God is omniscient, so doing something or having a destiny that He would not know of is impossible. That means that the only possible actions we can make are actions that coincide with what will yield the destiny He knew we were going to have.
Our actions are predetermined, they follow a set path that God already knows about. We are unable to change our actions into anything unknown or against God. Therefore, we do NOT truly have free will in the sense that our Destiny is in our own hands. We follow a set path, the path God is said to have set for us. If all actions are done through, by, and for God, we have no means of changing our path to conflict with His will, and our acts and end is known, then there can be no such thing as free will in context to Christianity.
This proves that there is no such thing as free will. If there is no such thing as free will, that means all sin was forced to occur. This follows the Bible exactly:
"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. ~Jude 1:4"
"In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: ~Eph 1:11"
Another thing to consider:
If God willingly and purposefully creates human beings to go to Hell(as the Bible says people are made that will go to Hell, and God knows they will go to Hell, they had no free will- as I just proved) then that proves God is not all-loving. You cannot love a creature and then have its ultimate end be in Hell. You cannot love a creature when it's sole purpose is to suffer. So, upon analysis, God is not all-loving, but the Bible describes Him as being such. Therefore, the deduction is that this all-loving God described in the Bible does not do all-loving things, therefore He is either flawed(He is supposed to put forth a certain quality but does not), or He is flawfully described(which means the Bible, His Word-is wrong, which means He is flawed or that religion as a whole being based on the Bible is flawed). This disproves the Christian God's existence in context to the Bible.
And I'll go ahead and post a wonderful Bible quote that prove the common Christian ideas wrong. Most Christians say that all sins are equal, this is not true.
"Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee HATH THE GREATER SIN." John 19:11
I'm going to end this entry with a few questions.
1. What makes Christianity superior to any other religion? Why is it that religions such as Greek Mythology, Buddhism, Wiccanism, etc are all wrong, but the Bible is right? No religions have proof of existence or validation of any sort, so why do people choose to believe in Christianity over any other religion? If you choose to believe in Christianity, why don't you believe in Apollo? What makes your religion right over other religions?
2. How can people reconcile glaring overisghts in the Bible? How is God perfect if He says He makes mistakes?
“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth...And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them” (Genesis 6:5-7)
God is all-knowing, He knows what his works will do, so why would God repent for one of his own actions? Did he not know what would happen? To repent is to admit a mistake, how can God be perfect and make a mistake?
http://www.livejournal.com/users/swinger1988/2004/05/05/
The above link is to a prehistoric Swinger post about Bible contradictions. Another interesting contradiction is this:
"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." (John 8:7)
--"CRY aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins." (Isaiah 58:1)
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine." (2 Timothy 4:2)
3. Why did Adam receive punishment for eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? Without the knowledge to discern good from evil, how can one be held responsible for actions that are evil? To receive a punishment, one is to have known that an action was wrong before hand. Adam did not know his actions were wrong, because he did not understand right from wrong, he had not been given that knowledge, but he was held accountable for failing a test on knowledge and information he was never given. You might say that God told Adam not to eat from the tree, but without knowing right from wrong, eating from the tree was just as right or wrong as listening to God's word. If Adam had no knowledge of good from evil, could not discern the two, how is he to be held responsible for commiting evil? Adam coudn't have known it was evil without the knowledge of good and evil.
All that aside, if he DID know it was evil, somehow, why did God seem to entrap Adam? Why create Eve to lure Adam? Why put the tree there in the first place? If it is to provide a test, why test at all? God knows the actions that are going to take place, so why choose to punish Adam when he knows he was going to do wrong? What does that prove?
4. Why are people created to suffer? Why are people created to go to Hell? God knows the destiny of all, why does he set into motion the creation of beings when he knows they will suffer, or knows they will end up in Hell? What purpose is shown, other than that God is not all-loving.
5. Why am I to believe in religion, or anything at all? The only thing I can prove is my own existence, whatever existence that is. The next best thing I have is science and mathematics, which thus far have been shown to be true through obserations which may or may not be true. Science and mathematics, then, are as true as anything can be. I can use science and math, I can see the existence in front of me, I can manipulate it, test it, see it. Religion, on the other hand, is not nearly as tangible. Religion, to me, seems as true or as tangible as a children's story. I see and read some absurd tale that goes against testable and observable truths, just like in fairy tales, where frogs turn into princes, witches cast spells, etc. Jesus walks on water, fish and bread multiply, and water turns to wine. Sounds like a fairy tale if I ever read one.
Believing in the Bible is the equivalent to believing in something that goes against everything you see and observe, the very laws of nature that govern the surroundings. If I told you that the sky was purple, why would you not believe it? It seems more credible than a book written thousands of years ago by people you've never met, and in languages now dead, re-written over and over by fallible hands and bent to support leaders at the time. My word seems more plausible and possible than the Bible. What prevents you from believing fairy tales, believing that the sky is not purple-while believing the Bible is true?
I would like for someone to explain to me how they believe something written by flawed humans thousands of years ago, written to reflect the old society and laws which are now outdated, over any other absurd story, and even over science and mathematics? It doesn't seem logical.
And remember, kids, if God gave us the wisdom and ability to question, think, and reason, why would He not want us to use it? If I am too inquisitive, too harsh, too brutal, too logical, it is because God created me in His image, for His purpose. I'm merely doing what He wanted me to do.
~the manic expressive
~Ryan Vergel
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